Books + Comics

It’s Your Story: An Interview With Ellen Forney

We talk to the author of Marbles: Mania, Depression, Michelangelo, and Me.

Collage by Minna, using a photo by Jacob Peter Fennell.

Collage by Minna, using a photo by Jacob Peter Fennell.

Cartoonist Ellen Forney has created some of my favorite comics to date, including Monkey Food: The Complete “I Was Seven in ’75” Collection, I Love Led Zeppelin, and Lust: Kinky Online Personal Ads. Her latest book, the memoir Marbles: Mania, Depression, Michelangelo, and Me, details her struggle to maintain her creativity after being diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She beautifully details not only what it’s like to live with a mood disorder, but how maintaining her health made her a better artist, contrary to the popular opinion that treatment comes at the expense of creativity. Ellen recently met me for coffee and OJ at a Seattle coffee shop to talk about her work.

DANIELLE: Do a lot of people open up to you about their own mood disorders now that Marbles is out there?

ELLEN FORNEY: There’s been a lot more outpouring of other people’s stories than I realized there would be, but I’ve gotten more comfortable setting my boundaries so that I can be comfortable with that. One thing about opening yourself up by writing a book like this is it allows people to come to terms with their own stories and let them out. It can be a lot to hear.

That’s a lot of responsibility!

It is! I mean, I’ve done autobiographical work for a long time, so I’m somewhat used to it, but it’s always weird for someone to already know a lot about me when we meet.

What do people usually say?

They’re either really familiar with me, or they’ll ask all sorts of stuff about my mom, who I wrote about a lot in Monkey Food. My friend writes a home design blog and my apartment was featured on the website a couple of years ago, which was great. Then I was at a yoga studio that I don’t usually go to, and I was paying with my credit card, and the cashier said “Oh! Ellen Forney! Are you the cartoonist? I really love your work.” She talked about a few things I’ve drawn for The Stranger, and then she said, “Oh, and I really like the combination of new and vintage stuff in your apartment!” [Laughs]

That is awkward!

Yes! Then she stepped back and said, “I’m sorry, is that creepy?” and I was like, “No, no!”

But yes, yes!

But I’m not complaining or saying it’s inappropriate—I know that reactions like that from people are part of telling your own stories. I understand that people want to tell me their stories, because it’s another way for other them to embrace me, or give me company, and tell me that I’m not the only one feeling this way. And that’s what I try to offer people with my story—I try to say, “Here are some things that I’ve found in my difficult journey, and it might help you on your difficult journey, or getting to know your son’s difficult journey, or your student’s difficult journey…”

Have you heard from parents and teachers a lot?

Yes, a lot of parents and teachers! The thing to remember is that a mental illness affects everyone around you, particularly families, close friends, and the people who see you on a regular basis, like teachers. I’ve also heard from a number of people who have had ex-lovers who had bipolar disorder, and they just couldn’t take it after a while, but have never really been able to figure out what was going on.

Like they weren’t diagnosed?

Maybe they were, maybe not, but it was just too much to live with. Even before starting the book, I knew that the statistics were that there were a lot of people with mood disorders. And in the course of doing research for the book, I learned that approximately three percent of the population is bipolar, and about 10 percent of the population has some sort of mood disorder. Depression is a mood disorder, and that’s really common. So if you think that one out of ten people has a mood disorder, then it seems like practically everyone is connected in some way. That’s been one of the surprises for me—one of the really interesting, intense surprises—that kind of widespread understanding and questioning of mood disorders as a personal issue. When I first put out the book, my big concern was that I would be the subject of that gaze and judgment, so much so that I didn’t tell people what I was working on. I was really private about my disorder!

Even though you were writing a book about it?

Yeah! [Laughs]

That’s interesting, because I imagine this book took some time to write, and wasn’t it emotional to go through writing and reliving this stuff but not be able to tell anyone?

It was so emotional to work on, and my limited emotional support group was very important and very strong. I limited the number of people I told about it on purpose because it was really, really intense and vulnerable. I can’t even tell you how hard I worked on this book in 2011. It was just so important to me to get it right.

Is there anything you left out, or wanted to leave out, of the story just so you wouldn’t have to talk about it with people close to you?

Marbles is a story that takes place over years, and there’s a lot that I left out—things that weren’t interesting, or personal things that weren’t pertinent to the story. The one thing that I didn’t want to put in, but I realized that I had to, was pot. I really didn’t want to put in anything about smoking pot. It’s not easy to both put forward what you were doing as unhealthy, and kind of not see [that it was unhealthy], and at the same time be [a] sympathetic [character].

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9 Comments

  • shelley October 3rd, 2013 4:39 PM

    wow what an amazing interview! will be checking this book out for sure

  • giov October 3rd, 2013 5:38 PM

    this is crazy good timing: I was basically crying over my current life situation (hint: mood disorder) when I found this AND I’m writing my dissertation on autobiographical comics. Possibly about female authors and mental health? Thanks Rookie!

  • riseagainstyourfate October 3rd, 2013 6:24 PM

    Thank you so much for posting this<3
    I currently have this book on order and I can't wait to read it. As someone who has been living with bipolar for many years now, who has spent a few months in psych wards, I really appreciate pieces of art like this. They help me feel less alone in a world where I often feel alienated.

  • elliecp October 4th, 2013 4:44 AM

    This is fantastic! Such an awesome lady to target such difficult subject matter…really brave and I can’t wait to check out the book!

    http://roseandvintage.blogspot.com/

  • mariasnow October 4th, 2013 8:34 AM

    I really want this book now. I was diagnosed with BPD six years ago and all the people in my life said it had to be a misdiagnosis, that I was really fine just a little sensitive and dramatic because of my artistic temperament. All friends, all family, everyone discouraged me from proceeding with treatment but I knew that something was very wrong and that I didn’t want to feel how I always felt anymore. So I got treatment, I got better and everyone said, “ok yeah, maybe there was something wrong before because…well I can tell you’re better.” I started art classes and finished every project and got an A on nearly everything. I could not have done that before treatment. I had been a very hit-and-miss student before treatment.

    I’m all for the explosion of this myth that you have to sacrifice yourself and your sanity to a treatable illness in order to make something great.

    • starsinyourheart October 4th, 2013 11:34 AM

      this is exactly what happened to me! my mother is an actress and artist, and i’m an actress too. she’s very highly strung, as a part of her personality. so when i started to go ‘off the rails’ i felt completely unsupported when she just suggested i was a sensitive artistic type. because just being ‘sensitive’ doesn’t drive you to harm yourself so severely as i was doing, in any way possible. i was so miserable and honestly looking back, probably a few weeks off killing myself (by accident or not) and i was only 16. she actively encouraged me NOT to take medication, which upset me so much because normally she’s so understanding.

      going against what she said was the best thing that ever happened to me, as i found a medication that pretty much saved my life. i got into therapy and worked out that i did actually have bipolar disorder and i didn’t have to live like that. it shocks me that anybody can suggest there’s ‘nothing wrong’ when you know yourself better than they do., even if they mean the best.

      • mariasnow October 4th, 2013 5:48 PM

        good for you! it can be really really hard (especially if you have bpd, i don’t know about other illnesses) to validate your own feelings. i had not a single person who said even , “well, it’s worth a shot.” i hope the people close to you got a sense of your recovery and were at least supportive of that. i don’t know what stage of recovery you are at (and i also think things just go dormant and you have to be aware of your issues for the rest of your life) but being told you don’t need treatment anymore because you’re on track is awesome and a few years ago i went back because i was really stressed out and the doctor said i was stressed out because i was under a lot of stress and was actually coping admirably and had no reason to think i was having any kind of relapse. that was even better. i hope you get there if you aren’t already.

        i’m sorry you were so close to the edge of the cliff. i find it’s always scarier when you’ve moved back and you’re safe and have a good sense of what would have been lost.

        now you get to live your life at an advantage. you know fairly well what you’re working with, that’s a gift. <3 <3 best wishes.

  • rahima October 5th, 2013 8:06 AM

    i just finished reading this book! it was totally worth reading. i learned a lot from it and really helped with my personal life.

  • bridge the smidge October 6th, 2013 1:49 AM

    I read this graphic novel last year while going through a particularly rough time. This book was really helpful and shed a humorous light on issues that often aren’t very funny at all. 100% recommend to anyone everywhere ever.